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♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." >> abdel-fattah el-sisi was sworn in as egypt's sixth president.
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in 2014. mohamed morsi was involved. he urged egypt since to be ready for a hard work phase. going from a para list lee week economy to those controlled by islamic militants, such as isis egypt faces no shortage of , challenges. el-sisi addressed the challenge of terrorism in a speech. >> egypt's solution is to recognize the problem. and how big of a problem. and to move towards solving it andovercome this problem, by the will of god, and by god alone, and through you egyptians, all the egyptians and all the loyal and honorable citizens, we will fulfill the hope that we basically look towards and upon.
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>> president el-sisi is in new york. for the first time since he became president, and yesterday i sat down with him for a , conversation about egypt and its role in the region. terrorism and much more. mr. president thank you for , doing this. welcome to new york. you are here for the united nations general assembly. what do you hope to accomplish? a matter of fact, see it is important to introduce to after the events that egypt underwent in the last two years, it last three is very important for the people throughnd hear egypt
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the egyptians. or through me, in one way or the other. >> what do you want us to hear? >> egypt is a pivotal country in the region. and it is the bedrock of stability in the region, and, was the firstt country to clinch a peace agreement with israel. egypt can play a more influential role. i don't think many countries can undertake the role egypt can do. i believe egypt can work freely with both sides, the israelis and palestinians. egypt enjoys credit ability with both sides. israelis and palestinians. this is one important issue. if we can succeed to reach real peace, we will be able to
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achieve a lot in the region. very important for the people to know there is now the will of the egyptians. there is a new egypt. the world heard about egypt on the 25th of january, 2011. but there is another revolution that took place. very critical for the world to know the revolution took place as well at the hands of the egyptians. the egyptians are able to make two revolutions in four years, yes. the egyptians are capable people. they can make change for a better future for the country. >> what was the second revolution necessary? you had a democratically elected government. >> egyptians felt their country
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was approaching dangerous extremism. it was going into a path that the egyptians did not want for their country. they wanted freedoms. they wanted democracy. they wanted social justice. they did not want a religious state in the way egypt was approaching. that was the thing that made the egyptians believe the social contract between the people and the former president on which they voted for two except -- accept pluralization and inclusiveness did not happen. they said, no. >> what did he do? >> he dedicated the idea of the
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group. he caused division among the egyptians. also, the problems of egypt were monumental. no one faction or group would be able to confront all of the problems. it was necessary for all egyptians to work together to overcome the problems. he could not do that. there was not a mechanism in the previous constitution to allow, even after only one year, to impeach the president. to enable the people to impeach a president that they chose in
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the first place. had they showed flexibility and readiness to announce for early presidential elections, egypt would have been saved a lot of problems. >> was it a coup? >> if the will of the egyptians, 30 million egyptians is seen as a coup, i want to say there is one important fact that i want you to know. the fact of the egyptian military making coups is something egypt has passed a long time ago. it was a response for the will of the egyptians. >> what will the muslim brotherhood have to do to be included again in the political
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future of israel? of egypt? >> they didn't have to do anything. the announcement on the third of july was providing ample opportunity for the full spectrum of the political powers and egypt to re-particpate. they only needed to agree to put his fate in the elections and be part of the constitutional amendments. there would have been other chances for morsi to run again for office. the question was and is still work we did -- is still repeated, did they want participation or confrontation?
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i am afraid they chose confrontation. if you allow me to complete here, the issue is now not with the government. it is with the egyptians. the egyptians are the ones who need to be reconciled. the egyptians are the ones who need to be convinced. the egyptian people feel, at least a major part of the egyptians have been hurt by the muslim brotherhood and the practices during the past year. >> their future is what, the muslim brotherhood? what is their future? >> it is the call of the egyptians.
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will they denounce violence? will they have the will to apologize to egyptians? will they be ready to participate in the political process with its terms and conditions? the moment we are speaking now, they are resorting to violence. >> at this moment? >> of force. >> the relationship with the united states and what happened to president mubarak. did it do damage to the u.s.-egyptian relationship? >> absolutely not. never. the egyptians understand a strategic relationship between the u.s. and egypt. there may be differences in opinion.
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this is possible and normal and relations among countries. still, the relation between egypt and the u.s. is stable and strategic. >> aid will continue to flow from the u.s. to egypt? >> out of the question. >> one of the first visits you made was to go to russia? you have received a aid from saudi arabia and other arab friends. is that a signal you do not need america in the same way that you had? >> this is a difficult question. out of our traditions, we cannot build a relationship on user re-and manipulation. >> was it there? y andre--- usur manipulation?
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>> this relationship is founded on solid grounds, the u.s. has provided a lot to egypt. as i said before, if we have a difference in opinion, this doesn't mean we forget all the history. >> what are the differences of opinion? >> i know that, judging the state of affairs in egypt is quite unique. we don't have a revolution every day in countries around the world. but egypt is living symptoms of a revolutionary state for four years. this needs to be seen within the right context. >> what do you want from the united states? define the relationship that
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would be good for egypt. >> we think that the u.s. should appreciate and understand the circumstances that egypt is living, undergoing. to understand that egypt is keen on providing freedoms, real democracy. we are keen on bringing about the ability. egypt is committed to human rights in egypt. we are very keen in all of this. but under difficult circumstances. >> the difficult circumstances are? >> terrorism we are facing in the whole world is seeing. we are having victims on a daily basis in sinai and the rest of the country.
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we have been in countering this terrorism for more than a year. >> you mean al qaeda in the sinai? >> these are only names. what we are talking about, jihadists and terrorists that are committing violence. targeting the military. the civil police. and the state institutions. >> there is a threat today from isil, or the islamic state? what do you prefer to call them? or the islamic state? >> i don't want to get dragged into reducing countering terrorism that needs a
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comprehensive strategy into countering isis or isil. it doesn't matter what name they come under. it needs a strategic strategy that is comprehensive and includes ingredients. cultural confrontation, economic confrontation military , confrontation. also supporting the economic capabilities of a country and reinforcing the role of the moderate religious institutions. >> what is egypt prepared to do today? to fight the terrorism that specifically the coalition that president obama is trying to assimilate against isil? >> we have been public for our support in this matter.
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perhaps more than a year ago, we started our counterterrorism efforts in sinai and other places in egypt. the military and civil police are exerting efforts to exert protection for egyptians. to deprive terrorism from expanding to the region. >> the military was involved in trying to fight terrorism in libya. along with emirates. including the egyptian air force. will the egyptian air force support airstrikes against isis in iraq and syria? >> do you need the egyptian air force? >> yes, because the president would like it to be not just
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americans alone against muslims. the president would like for predominantly muslim countries to be engaged in every aspect so it doesn't look like the u.s. is against muslims. he needs that. as an important signal in his judgment. >> true. true. >> will you support -- [laughter] -- the president? by egyptian strikes? >> give us the apaches and f-16s that you have been suspending for over 1.5 years now -- >> and? if you get them?
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>> we said it before, and we reiterate the fact that egypt is in a real and serious confrontation with terrorism. >> yes. >> we have long borders with libya. we are taking full responsibility for securing them. because on the libyan side, there is not the capability to secure the borders. we are exerting enormous efforts. the egyptian military is undertaking a major role in countering terrorism.
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let me be frank with you. the symbolism of egyptian support to the coalition is there. >> it is important to have the coalition support. how do you see it working, and if there is a reason not to use egyptian forces, what is the reason? the idea is the coalition is formed, and we are a part of this coalition. announcementic that we are part of the coalition. just want to say that when the matter required, the size of forces needed to liberate kuwait, when the iraqis invaded it, that was another thing, but the size of isil is very minor compared to the capabilities of the neighboring countries of
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iraq. like turkey, a nato member. compared to the strong abilities of the iraqi army itself. and to the capabilities of the gulf states. we need to understand that this matter is very complex. >> let's talk about reforming egypt. ?hat do you need to do the economy is in a bad place. how do you reform the economy? how do you gain the credibility that you need? what reforms are necessary? what rule of law is necessary? what respect for individual rights is necessary? >> i would like to start with the last part of your question. we are trying with real willingness and deep belief to
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uphold the human rights in egypt. but we need to bear in mind the state of affairs that egypt is undergoing. and we also need to bear in mind what procedures we are undertaking to counterterrorism. it is important to be rest assured we are keen on human rights. i don't want to just come on the media and say good words about human rights, i am also saying it out of our deep belief. but we also need the world to understand the state of affairs that egypt is undergoing. we do not tolerate violations of human rights. as a fact we asked for , redefining human rights. instead of reducing it to
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freedom of expression, it needs to be more inclusive. human rights should include the right to good quality education. q a decent life, to a decent place to live. life, to a decent place to live. i consider these as important human rights. i am very keen on honoring. these in egypt. let me continue, because there is a difficult economic problem in egypt. egyptians now, i'm talking about the ordinary citizens, egyptians are conscious of their problems. and the first step for a real solution is to admit that you have a problem. the egyptians understand that they have an economic problem and weey need to face, that theear in mind
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egyptians in 40 years have to accept something that was not touched by any previous government. you received $20 billion from saudi arabia and other gulf countries. a year later, people said they had seen no change as a result of that $20 billion. it did not have an impact. but it prevented the collapse of the state. course, wey, and, of are talking about circumstances with an almost complete absence of tourism. need foralking about a
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,uel, to generate electricity and a lot of things needed to be funded. we are very grateful for our arabia, andsaudi had this not have happened, egypt would perhaps have lapsed. moneydo you need more from arab countries as well as the united states in order to avoid an economic collapse? >> now we are in a better place. now about how to ,vercome the economic problem and we have objectives. we say if we succeed in the coming two years to improve our we will have a,
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much better future. we still need u.s. support. and we still need a lot of investment to be injected into the egyptian economy. thisinvestment is an accumulatem over the years. that is why we are calling on all of our friends to stand by us. ♪
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♪ >> there are those who say there was more freedom of expression under the morsi regime than there is today in egypt, there was more open debate and more freedom of expression. do you agree with that? and if so, why? >> no, i don't agree with that. it has changed. inryone can speak their mind the newspapers and on the talk shows.
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anybody can be criticized in the media, from the president to any state institution. there is no limitation. this is final. there is no limitation on freedom of expression. egyptians are very keen on that. >> let me cite a couple of examples. number there was a comedian who one, came here and created a program similar to our own jon stewart, and that was taken off of the air. that is not freedom of expression. >> i hope you believe me. we had nothing to do with that at all. >> here is something you do know about. the al jazeera journalist. i realize you believe in
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the courts, in the judiciary. john kerry spoke to you about this. i have asked this question often. you shouldn't be imprisoning journalists. they are not a threat to the state. and they are in prison in egypt. you could do something about that. why haven't you? >> i will again, again be honest with you. i wish egypt had not been facing such a situation. regardless of their indictment or they are innocent or guilty, the best thing was to get them out of the country. but at that time, i was not
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responsible for the country. i was only the minister of defense. the judicial formalities are still in process. any state, any state understands that if there is any violation on the part of a journalist, no country would like to imprison journalists. countries do not need to have lengthy debates about having journalists in prison. i wish they had not been in ated or even stand court. >> then why don't you do something about it? >> now, i can't. >> why not? >> because this is in the hands of the judiciary system. they are standing in court according to the legal framework, and i cannot
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interfere. does not mean that i do not want i, but >> let me understand you. you would like to intervene. you would like to see them not on trial. you disagree with the indictment. you are saying, i can't do anything about it. they should not have been indicted -- >> let me be clear. let me be clear. i am responsible for the words i am saying. i did not wish for these people to be treated that way. they would have been deported from the country and closed that file. not to be in the state that we are in now but now, they are , standing trial. they are in the hands of the egyptian judiciary to make sure we respect the judiciary.
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respect the independence, not pass judgment on their rulings, and we are determined to uphold the judiciary system. i have always shown respect to the judiciary system. if we want egypt to be as developed and as civilized as no one doubtss, the judiciary system, then we will have to pay the price of ensuring the independence of it. and not interfering in affairs. >> and what about mr. morsi and mubarak? are they still within the judicial system? >> yes. >> and what do they face? >> i don't know. it is the judge who is going to give the sentence according to the case. still, the legal formalities are
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in process. >> clearly, you talk about a new egypt. you are a military man who became president in an election. mr. mubarak is a military men who became vice president and then succeeded and anwar sadat. and he ruled egypt for a number of years. how are you different than mubarak? >> the circumstances are quite different. the will of the egyptians was the decisive matter. when the egyptians wanted to end political rule, they ended it.
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when they wanted to bring morsi they brought morsi to office. , when they wanted to stop this administration, they revolted against it and terminated it. >> but how will your presidency be different than mubarak? how do you see yourself as different from him? how do you see your vision of egypt as different than him? many people think this is a return to something rather than a beginning of something. >> you shouldn't jump to conclusions, and you shouldn't pass early judgments. >> what does that mean? >> it means egypt was facing extreme dangers. if you want a real answer, i was
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called in to save egypt from failure. >> called in by whom? >> the people. you need to visit egypt and talk to the people. >> i know the popular support against the morsi government. i understand that. i also understand that many people, including the u.s., raised real questions and said that what should have taken place is that government should have been voted out of office, not thrown out of office, not , not facing severe criminal penalties, and that raises questions, and you have to speak to those questions as you try to restore a vision of egypt that you believe reflects egypt.
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>> i repeat what i said earlier. there was not a mechanism to impeach a president under the but now iftitution, the egyptians want to take action according to the new constitution, to terminate the term of presidency before completion, now they can with the impeachment mechanism. but the previous constitution did not have that mechanism. the only way to do that was through protesting and resorting to aggressive actions. >> the interesting thing about you is you were a military man.
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and after tahrir square, to the surprise of some you became the , defense minister. now i sit here and you are the president of the country. >> we believe in fate and destiny. in our beliefs, we know there is a divine providence that controls many things in our lives. no one can draw the story of the life from the beginning to end. >> this was not your choice. it was fate, destiny. >> yes. >> the destiny to do what? [laughter]
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>> now we will get into, now we will get into a debate. i hope my role is to protect egypt and the egyptians. to achieve the hopes of egypt and the egyptians. for a free country. a stable country. with good economic circumstances. which will be appropriate for the egyptians. that the egyptians enjoy freedom, real freedom. in democratic practices. to be able to provide and create jobs for millions of young
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people who are unemployed. we are talking about the principles of the 25th of january revolution. livelihood, freedom, and social justice. if i succeed in attaining those, i believe i will have obtained all the aims and hopes i want for my country and my people. >> what you say to those supporters of the muslim brotherhood? >> i don't refuse the opinion of the other. i hope their support does not change into violence. this will not be in the interest of anybody. >> these are people -- you actually believe they are terrorists. the muslim brotherhood. >> the problem is in the mindset. it is the mental structure of
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this kind that causes the problem. >> what do you mean? >> those who adopt this ideology are ready to resort to violence in order to obtain objectives. >> let me ask you about other players middle east. hamas. there is a border with gaza. will you open the border? >> there are two crossings. you cannot close the crossings unless for security reasons, because sinai is vulnerable to terrorist activities. when we dealt with tunnels, and
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were very careful not to make tunnels a source of threat to the egyptian national security. not to be a means to smuggle illegal goods and harmful items. we have been dealing with tunnels for 1.5 years. this does not mean that the crossing is used for humanitarian reasons and individuals. they are not used for military purposes. >> as long as it is those purposes, and clearly it was, you will close down the tunnel on the egyptian side and not allow any border crossings from egypt into gaza?
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>> crossing is allowed through the formal crossing. >> what necessary -- what is the forward, and you can play a role to achieving an israeli , palestinian peace which everybody believes is essential? to the future of the region. in your judgment, as the head of a powerful country with huge influence and who played a role in the gaza strip, the gaza war. what is necessary? >> what is necessary is to have real will on all our parts. to have a just solution for the palestinian issue.
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to establish a palestinian state on the occupied territory of 1967 with real guarantees to the israelis and palestinians. the first step is to achieve a lasting cease-fire. let the humanitarian relief to get him to get into mitigate the ramifications of the conflict and the devastation they saw during the past. keeper of time, and then to build on through negotiation, with strong political will. we can build the peace we are , and the egyptian
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experience is there and can be repeated, and it is encouraging for all of the parties to repeat the egyptians. the egyptian israeli peace was a decisive factor, enabling egypt to launch its initiative, to talk with the israelis. would accept it without conditions and to be able to reach a cease-fire and stopping of the bloodshed and damages. the arab spring came. and you played a role by in a sense allowing the revolution to go forward. not putting soldiers in the streets. the revolution that was taking
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place. to stop it, what was taking place. you saw the revolution in tunisia. the effort for revolution in syria. we saw the devastating impact of a revolution which succeeded and then seems to have failed in libya. what is the outline of a new middle east? some say it is a return to strong leaders. you are one that they suggest. is that it? is that the future? where is democracy? where is separation of religion from government? what is the threat to the new
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middle east? >> it is too early to delineate the future of the middle east. now, because the events that took place over the last three years were momentous. and they were interrelated. to say, i want to say, was nato's mission in libya accomplished? the revolution did not fade. because there is the will of the libyans. but now, this will is captive to the armored militias in the absence of a national army and stable government. national police forces.
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i believe the missions should have been completed by assembling the weapons that are now in the hands of the militias. building the capacities of the military and police. founding a strong, national government. but this did not happen. i don't want you to say that the libyan revolution failed. the libyans are great people. they have a will. >> i say succeeded but then collapsed. >> we need to ensure its continuous success by preventing the flow of weapons into libya. supporting the legitimate parliament. we exert more effort to reach a
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political solution. >> many people look -- i want your opinion on this -- they look at the middle east and say, it is simply a battle within islam. it is a conflict between sunni and shia. is that true? is that a large part of the conflict today? >> we need to pay attention to the fact that this area has been there, with the same structure, without having this conflict before. >> but today, you see evidence of a conflict that has shia-sunni dimensions. just look at how the parties are.
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iran, supporting an iraqi government that was shia. iran supports hezbollah. iran supports hamas. some say the battle in the middle east is a powerful conflict between saudi arabia and not egypt that iran -- but iran on the other hand. >> i want to say that the united states has a great opportunity to achieve stability in the region. the u.s. has leverage, influence, and has big capabilities. reassurance to the gulf states will be important. any regional security arrangements will take into consideration the security of the gulf states. >> are the gulf states confident
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america is there for their security? >> the relations are long-established. what would change that? we just need to confirm that and build on it. >> and that is a process, confirming and building. >> i really hope so. baracklly this evening, obama wants you to build an inclusive government. do you give that confirmation that that is what you want to do, that you want an inclusive, democratic government? >> i want to say something for history here. i am an egyptian who loves all
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the egyptians. i am a person who loves all human beings. and i wish the best for everybody. but i hope all the people would reciprocate the same feelings, whether internally or externally. we are -- this is a world of human beings, not the world of angels. but i really hope that everybody will participate. the egyptians have to be about what form their participation will be. >> are they satisfied?
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>> until now, no. >> no. that is your challenge. >> what i am saying is, are the egyptians satisfied to have the full spectrum on the political scene? this is one thing that is the call of one certain group. one certain current that needs to reconcile to make the egyptians feel that they are, this current is one part of the fabric and is working in the best interests. >> what group is that? >> the group we have been talking about. >> the muslim brotherhood. they have to do what? >> all they need is to stop
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harming and hurting the egyptians. when they put explosives and bomb electrical pylons and towers. when they cut railways. when they harm people in the streets. when they commit terrorist activities. no egyptian will be able to tolerate that. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. ♪
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